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| wcerto |
Posted - 10/20/2011 : 02:03:22 AM
Taro Patch does not seem to be the right forum for the Mele Monday lists. There is an obvious lack of interest for it here. |
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| wcerto |
Posted - 10/31/2011 : 03:34:38 AM
Mahalo you guys. As I said in a post further up the pages on this thread, I did reconsider, especially after Norm Markowitz poited out that if my intent is to share the music, I get a much wider audience involved in Hawaiian music this.
I do thank you all for your comments and your aloha.
Now go look at this week's Mele Monday list and enjoy!
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| walterotter |
Posted - 10/30/2011 : 03:26:12 AM
Wanda I rarely post, read a little here and there, i don't often look at the lists, occasionally I do because they lead me to seek out new music to me at least, i'm still very much a learner on my chosen instrument which is the uke and the taropatch tunings, I've been immersed in various tutorials of late between my work and play uke every day learning and working out Hawaain medleys with the girl who loves banjos who has permanetly borrowed Skylark my baritone because she loves playing one of Dave Heaukoniana? vaquero cowboy tunes.
I have a mind one day to purchase a guitar and get some slack key books for that, everytime I go into a shop I can't decide what guitar to buy and the best ones are too expensive and I sit back with my uke and Dave H's slack key book and Mark Nelson's slack key book and i get hooked again on the four strings with the drop g bass and i learn so much from these books which help me when the girl who loves banjos and me go and sit in pubs to play with musicians.
Only the other week I went a folk club filled with guitar players, some a bit sniffy about the rights and wrongs of what was folk and what was not and I got up and played a couple of slack key tunes on Grace my concert uke with the drop g in taropatch tuning, one was Moanna Chimes. An old friend got up and came over and said "that was bloody marvellous" and was going out to get himsself a uke like mine.
My point is you can't please everyone but its nice when a face comes out the crowd and says they appreciate it that for me is what it is all about.
down periscope . . .
best
Mike |
| garson |
Posted - 10/29/2011 : 6:57:54 PM
Dear Wanda and the rest of the patch. I rarely post. I thought that you were supposed to watch with your eyes; listen with your ears; keep your mouth shut. I have learned so much from Wanda's posts,for example, at least six arrangements of songs that I would never have tried to learn had I not found them there. So thank you Wanda for many year's worth of inspiration. And thank you to the so many people in the patch and on you tube who have shared their mana with me without knowing it. I'll miss not getting my weekly fix. And apologies for for lurking. I am betting there are a lot of shy people out there who are very grateful like me but don't speak up. |
| RWD |
Posted - 10/29/2011 : 03:13:23 AM
Thank you for reaching out, Wanda.
It is very much appreciated and accepted.
My aloha to you.
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| wcerto |
Posted - 10/28/2011 : 4:13:30 PM
I am apologizing to Bob for a comment I made about people may trip over his videos or not. He felt I was being vindictive to him and might not include his videos on the playlists because he spoke out honestly to me. That was not the case at all. I meanted that if I did not put the list on TaroPatch, some people might not find his videos or might not even search them out. I also meant that I do not include all videos just because someone is a TaroPatch member, or even if someone is "famous". I include videos that I find interesting, touching, or otherwise attract MY sensibilities. Since I am the one who compiles the list, it is my prerogative as to what that list consists of.
Once again, Bob, please accept my apologies for any misunderstanding. |
| markwitz |
Posted - 10/28/2011 : 10:43:52 AM
I have never read this book. Since I now have a Kindle, maybe I'll download me a copy.
The following is copied and pasted in part from www.wkikpedia.org
"How to Win Friends and Influence People" is one of the first bestselling self-help books ever published. Written by Dale Carnegie and first published in 1936, it has sold 15 million copies world-wide.
The book has six major sections. The core principles of each section are quoted below.
Fundamental Techniques in Handling People
1 Don't criticize, condemn, or complain.
2 Give honest and sincere appreciation.
3 Arouse in the other person an eager want.
Six Ways to Make People Like You
1 Become genuinely interested in other people.
2 Smile.
3 Remember that a person's name is, to that person, the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
4 Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
5 Talk in terms of the other person's interest.
6 Make the other person feel important – and do it sincerely.
Twelve Ways to Win People to Your Way of Thinking
1 The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.
2 Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say "You're Wrong."
3 If you're wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
4 Begin in a friendly way.
5 Start with questions to which the other person will answer yes.
6 Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.
7 Let the other person feel the idea is his or hers.
8 Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
9 Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.
10 Appeal to the nobler motives.
11 Dramatize your ideas.
12 Throw down a challenge.
Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing Resentment
1 Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
2 Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.
3 Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
4 Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
5 Let the other person save face.
6 Praise every improvement.
7 Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
8 Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
9 Make the other person happy about doing what you suggest.
Letters That Produced Miraculous Results
This section was included in the original 1936 edition but omitted from the revised 1981 edition.
In this chapter, notably the shortest in the book, Carnegie analyzes two letters and describes how to appeal to someone's vanity with the term "do me a favor" as opposed to directly asking for something which does not offer the same feeling of importance to the recipient of the request.
Seven Rules For Making Your Home Life Happier
This section was included in the original 1936 edition but omitted from the revised 1981 edition.
1 Don't nag.
2 Don't try to make your partner over.
3 Don't criticize.
4 Give honest appreciation.
5 Pay little attentions.
6 Be courteous.
7 Read a good book on the sexual side of marriage.
That very last point may not necessarily apply here at Taropatch, but some of the others might. Or not.
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| salmonella |
Posted - 10/28/2011 : 06:01:34 AM
Aloha Wanda
And I mean that.
Please do not change what you do based on me. I am insignificant. It was never my intent to try and change what you do. That is not my intent now.
Having met you and observed you in person and via Taropatch, facebook, youtube, I know that you are a good person and that you truly are doing things you believe to be good and true.
With this, my last post on Taropatch, I do want to tell you that it is obvious to everyone that you love this music, this culture, this people, this forum. No one doubts that.
I would only point out one thing. And this is only my opinion and only given because I also care about the music and, although you probably don't see it, you. You may be, in your extreme love and wish to perpetuate that which you love.. you may be smothering that very thing. Or you may not be.. As I said, it is only my opinion and I know so little about online communities and their welfare.
I do know that Hawaiian music, culture and its perpetuation, especially on the mainland, are better off than before you fell in love with them. Please keep spreading the word.
Good luck to you.
Dave |
| ypochris |
Posted - 10/27/2011 : 5:06:28 PM
In my non-musician opinion, that pidgin thread was the best thing about the patch. People opened up there, showed themselves. And we all had fun. Then, as far as I could make out, issues came up in other forums and some of the most entertaining posters deleted their posts and left.
Duke, I, and others have tried to restart the thread, but too many people have abandoned the lo'i and like my farm in Waipi'o, the energy is gone and nothing grows from the feeble attempts to start it up again.
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| wcerto |
Posted - 10/27/2011 : 3:20:56 PM
One of the things I learned in statistics is that 20% of the whatever creates 80% of the other thing, good or bad. Such as 20% of the students get 80% of the scholarship money. Or 20% of the welders will create 80% of the defects or perhaps 20% of the people will provide 8-0% of donations to a charity, or perhaps 20% of the members of an on-line forum will create 80% of the posts.
Remember, Chris, the thread about posting in pidgin? That used to have a kajillion posts. It was a fun thread, the locals could talk the way they are used to talking, it gave a freedom to say things in a quite poetic way, it resulted in posts that were non-controversial, etc. Until someone whined about posting in pidgin. One stinkin' thread out of a whoppin' boat load. We would get 5 or 6 or more posts every evening on that one. You know why it faded, some people felt "left out". But it was all out the locals sasying if you get upset about us posting in pidgin, well come here and wala`au and you going learn pidgin. And have fun, too. And learn stuff, too. Jeez, there were some masterpieces there, tomes written by Menpachi. He doesn't post anymore. You notice that? He was a most valuable member of this forum. He is a well-schooled man with an amazing academic background. he is from Big Island, living in Idaho far, far away from Hawaiian culture. This was his link to home in a fun and relaxing way. He is a very accomplished ki ho`alu player, one who malamas traditional music. He writes extremely well, and is a fantastic story teller. And just like Hawaiian mele has kaona, there was always a hidden meaning in his stories. But this forum is all the worse for chasing him away. Braddah Ed nomo post. Oh how he could make me laugh. Duke nomo post. Him and Ed together could make you just about shishi you panties. And on and on. Those are the people who shared their mana`o and talents and had fun doing it and thusly made it fun for all the rest of us. This beautiful music is nothing if it turns everyone into grouchy grumps or high makamaka guitar players who try soak up the musical skills and mana of Hawaiian musicians but then look down their noses at the "regular" people.
I want the old TaroPatch back. The friendly one. |
| ypochris |
Posted - 10/27/2011 : 2:33:50 PM
Wanda, I've always appreciated the way you kept discussions going, rather than thinking you were dominating the threads. I, at least, lose interest fairly quickly when so few people are posting, and am greatful when someone puts in their two cents.
I put up sixteen posts a day, not week, on some sites, and all it does is invigorate the discussion- encouraging, not discouraging, those with other viewpoints to respond.
So in my eyes, the "solution" to any appearance that a few people are dominating the posts, if a solution is perceived as being needed, is not for those people to post less, but for the rest of us to post more. I know I would enjoy the patch much more if this were the case! |
| wcerto |
Posted - 10/27/2011 : 1:46:38 PM
I've always been in the +3 sigma part of the bell curve.
But Dave, come right out and say what I think you are skirting around. And while you are skirting the issue of me posting too much or hogging the forum or whatever else you are trying to prove with data, perhaps you can tell me how many people have shared posts that took a huge amount of time such as the you tube links to the songs in He Mele Aloha. There are quite a handful of people who are the ones who we can always go to for help. The ones who are always willing to answer -- like noeau when it comes to history, culture or `olelo. Like Peter Medeiros or Amy Stillman when it comes to music history, hula, slack key techniques, chords, etc. People like Russell Letson and Bill Wynne who have such a tremendous knowledge of Hawaiian music history and recordings. But there are a kajillion more members who read, who lurk, who do not post. And believe you me, plenty of people have contacted me personally or people I have met in my travels who know me because of my posts on this forum and who comment favorably about things I have said on this forum. I will agree that there are some things I have posted that I have not been proud of, primarily arguments with Bill Wynne. I think that is because both of us are so passionate about this music. He and I have the same thing in mind -- to malama the music of Hawai`i.
All that being said, Dave, perhaps you have noticed that short of my Mele Monday posts, I have said very little on this forum since I made a post about "Is Taro Patch getting boring or what". Your post on that thread made me think and sounded like you were accusing me of being the reason no one posts much of anything -- not the way we used to have lively discussions, and not just controversial topics that you think some people post just to be the ones who stir the pot. Your response to the thread about whether the forum is getting boring said something to the effect of for the past few years TaroPatch has been synonymous with wcerto and you said you think I could answer that better than anyone and what did I think was the cause. To me that said that I was running everyone away. I can live without Taro Patch but it has been and still is for the most part an interesting and helpful forum. But that is why I use Facebook for my Mele Monday posts. I have friends who still want to see that list and care less if TaroPatch is the means by which they get it. There is a great community of not only professional Hawaiian musicians, but plenty of just every day people who love the music and want to support it. I have done much to invite new members to TaroPatch, many of them through contacts on You Tube or Facebook. I have used Facebook to support TaroPatch, initially by putting the link to the TaroPatch Mele Monday post onto You Tube. I did it deliberately that way to require people to access TaroPatch and then perhaps they would explore it further and become a member. So I think I did my best at trying to ensure TaroPatch would not become boring.
You have made other comments in the past about people who like to stir the pot or people with some type of passive aggressive type thing. I have what I thought was a pretty thick skin, but you, Dave are the one who pierced that skin. That is why I was so willing to step away from Taro Patch and take my efforts at finding videos that I thought members of this forum would enjoy with me to Facebook. It is purely because of what you said. After I announced I was going to stop, other members here, Norm primarily, made me think about my reason for making the list. Duh. It was to share, not to get some type personal affirmation out of it. It was to share the music. The musicians are happy that I share the music. Their audiences are happy I share the music.
And I have just now decided that despite your statistics and despite your passive aggressive attitude, if I feel like saying something, I shall. If I feel like sharing some information, I shall. If I feel like asking for help on something, I shall.
(but it won't be as lengthy as this, I promise).
And to Bob -- I do like to include TaroPatch members on the Mele Monday list. I have always included you every time you put up a video. Your request to include notation as to who was a TP member was duly noted and when I knew, I put notation as to such. Your comment about you didn't have interest in watching the professional musicians did indeed get under my skin. Reason being is that it seemed like you wanted me to customize the list to Bob's interests, not to a broad group of interested listeners. If that was not what you were intimating, then I sincerely apologize.
The format for the Mele Monday will be a You Tube playlist. It will consist of videos which I found interest in and which I believe other people will enjoy. Just like a radio show or a TV show, if it is not something you like, there is an off button. Plain and simple. |
| TerryLiberty |
Posted - 10/27/2011 : 1:33:52 PM
I, for one am pleased that Wanda has chosen to keep the playlist here. I'm quite new to slack key guitar, new to Taropatch and finding every bit of it educational. Hearing the playlists has broadened my appreciation and knowledge of this new (to me) artform. Thanks for putting them up for everyone to see and hear!! They're obviously a labor of love and we all benefit from their presence.
I'll bet that if the forum had a "like" facility, we'd see that quite a few people visit the mele Monday topic.
Mahalo
Terry
Olympia, WA |
| Lawrence |
Posted - 10/27/2011 : 11:47:58 AM
quote:
I like data. I look at data everyday.
Here is some data for your consideration.
soory about the bad format.
So, could you show us a graph of curves, one for each of the top 50
users, showing the number of posts per month on the vertical axis and
the months since Forum inception on the horizontal axis (Like a Stock
market Chart). Just kidding, I'll bet you do not like handling this
data quite that much! 
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| ricdoug |
Posted - 10/27/2011 : 11:16:40 AM
I often check the links, but do not reply. Some of those playlists take a bit of time to watch from start to finish. Your playlists are appreciated by me. As to sites like FaceBook, adding friends and family has become very time consuming. I try and skim it once or twice daily. I find myself clicking the like button more often than replying, so others know their blogs were read. Ric |
| Retro |
Posted - 10/27/2011 : 11:09:52 AM
Interesting data. I've been fortunate to make music with a lot of people on that list, but there are many more with whom I have not yet done so. That gives me an idea for a "bucket list..." Who wants to be next?
(Sorry for just messing up the data by posting.  ) |
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