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| sm80808 |
Posted - 06/17/2011 : 01:13:45 AM
how much better would the music be?
how much better would the relationships be?
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| chunky monkey |
Posted - 06/19/2011 : 11:43:22 AM
kkcr from Kauai |
| sm80808 |
Posted - 06/19/2011 : 10:28:13 AM
I still haven't found a good source for Hawaiian music online. The closest I have found is 940AM from Oahu. The local NPR in Hawaii has a Hawaiian music show on Sundays, and there are some shows on the UH radio station KTUH... but they rarely play anything that I like to listen to. |
| slipry1 |
Posted - 06/19/2011 : 10:01:41 AM
I meant to say be seen and heard on community or public media. PBS is usually very good. |
| slipry1 |
Posted - 06/19/2011 : 10:00:25 AM
Once again, Uncle Keaka must say - Commercial radio is about selling a sponsor's product, not about art. Unfortunately, art can only (or almost only) be heard or seen on public or community radio. btw,the lack of anything Hawaiian in Cleceland was how I got to meet Wanda and Paul at Wolftrap a couple of years ago. They drove down to DC and provided a great tailgater luau, and I got to met them in person. So fine! |
| rendesvous1840 |
Posted - 06/19/2011 : 08:31:12 AM
Yes, commercial radio is what I meant. It's all out there on various private internet stations, but even local broadcast radio in Cleveland has little other than the most vulgar styles of Rap and the most vicious forms of Metal and Punk.
Unko Paul |
| Retro |
Posted - 06/18/2011 : 5:25:27 PM
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Originally posted by rendesvous1840
Don't search for it on the radio, it ain't played from their heart. Only profit plays there.
Correction, if you please: Don't search for it on COMMERCIAL radio; remember your community stations instead (and we're on the intrawebs as well). |
| rendesvous1840 |
Posted - 06/18/2011 : 5:02:51 PM
Were it not for the internet, Hawaiian music in Cleveland would consist of Tiny Bubbles played 2 or 3 times a year on one, or maybe two, radio stations. This is due to the lack of economic motivation. A few years ago, we were overjoyed to learn that The Makaha Sons were planning a tour with stops in both Cleveland, Ohio, and Pittsburgh,Pa.We mailed in for tickets to the Cleveland show, and I silently contemplated an overnight to Pittsburgh as well. Both shows were cancelled, due to lack of advance ticket sales. The Cleveland show sold about 50, if I remember correctly. A lack of economic motivation is the limiting factor here. It keeps Hawaiian music off the radio, out of the live venues, and there is precious little we can do to change that. Radio presents the music that draws listeners. Venues book the acts that draw patrons. These are facts. As the listeners tastes moved away from swing/pop,towards ever more Avant-garde rock, the local radio stations changed their play lists to present what was most popular. Like it? I haven't listened to local radio since internet station "Rats Won't Stay Where There's Music" disappeared, about 4 years ago. It's been a dozen or more years since I quit listening to local commercial radio. No, I don't like it. But I have to deal with it. The local Borders has cut their CD inventory down to the bare bones. The economic motivation to carry a large inventory is gone, what with downloads.
Hawaiian music will survive, the same way all traditional musics survive: in the back yards and barber shop jam sessions. When the kids hear it, they will say things like "Mom, they're playing your kinda music! Dad, that sounds like what you like to hear." And it survives that way. Don't search for it on the radio, it ain't played from their heart. Only profit plays there.
Unko Paul
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| Retro |
Posted - 06/17/2011 : 6:45:49 PM
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Originally posted by sirduke58
I've just recently started getting paid to perform music. It's nice and the pats on the back are pretty cool too. Can't say I'd be compelled to return the money being thrown at me but it will never be the motivation that drives me. Love of my music is first & foremost. I don't want to take the "play" out of "playing music". If you make it about money then it becomes work & no matter if it's a job you love, it's still WORK There's enough people out there chasing the almighty music dollar to serve the purpose.In the meantime I'll be just "Playing"
That part really resonates with me, Duke - I have only been playing for a few years, but I do get paid from time to time now. It's nice, but if it had to be my "job," it would lose too much of the "joy." |
| sirduke58 |
Posted - 06/17/2011 : 3:19:21 PM
Here's my personal story for what it's worth..............
I first started learning the guitar & slack key when I was around 15 years old.For 34 years I spent countless frustrating hours listening & wrecking my brains trying to learn every song that interested me. Popular standard tuned songs were easier because you could get chunks of it from others who were playing it at the time. Ki ho'alu was much more difficult to learn. There were no other players I knew of and certainly no kumus at all!!!Learning by ear was a slow, tedious process & no matter how close it sounded there was always the uncertainty of whether or not you were playing it right.
Up until 2007 when I met & studied with Oz, no one knew I played music.Hardly any friends & family knew I played. Oz & Bruddah Jay pushed me out into the open saying "It would almost be a crime if you don't share your music" It took a lot of convincing by them to get me out of the closet. My motivation for learning was never to please or impress anyone else, it was always just for my personal pleasure & satisfaction. I could have died content just playing for my own enjoyment.
I've just recently started getting paid to perform music. It's nice and the pats on the back are pretty cool too. Can't say I'd be compelled to return the money being thrown at me but it will never be the motivation that drives me. Love of my music is first & foremost. I don't want to take the "play" out of "playing music". If you make it about money then it becomes work & no matter if it's a job you love, it's still WORK There's enough people out there chasing the almighty music dollar to serve the purpose.In the meantime I'll be just "Playing"
Well that's my story & I'm sticking to it
Eh Shawn, looking forward to playing some "just for fun" music with you when you get home |
| wcerto |
Posted - 06/17/2011 : 12:53:37 PM
I believe that if economics were not a motivation in music it would be a sadly quiet world except for personal social situations where people would get together and make music together. However, since there would be no competition because economics is removed from the picture, I would imagine that personal relationships woild be the same as any other personal relationships: have ups and downs, agreements and disagreements, differences of opinions.
But I also think that somehow, a competition would enter into it even if no economic incentive. Like when someone sings "`Alika" and holds that note for a long, long, long time, trying to be like Aunty Genoa or someone like that. Then if they do they get lots of applause and hoots and hollers from an appreciative audience.
When I say I value music that is from the heart, I do want to go on record as saying that music which I do not personally care for does not mean that the performer of that music is not making music from their heart. I mean that the music that someone plays from their heart somehow touches my heart, or my na`au. It moves me our touches me in some undefinable way. But that is the stuff I love. Just because I do not love something else doesn't mean I am calling everything else "junk" or the makers of that music "junk". We are all permitted to have our own personal tastes. No different than I don't like liver or chittlins or scrambled pork brains. I prefer tiramisu and lasagna and pinto beans with ham hocks more better. |
| sm80808 |
Posted - 06/17/2011 : 12:31:32 PM
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Originally posted by markwitz
If there were no economic motivation in music I never would have had the chance to see,
yada...
Great, but that wasn't what I asked.
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| markwitz |
Posted - 06/17/2011 : 12:08:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sm80808
Meanwhile, musically no progress is made.
What's your definition of "musical progress"? |
| markwitz |
Posted - 06/17/2011 : 11:55:46 AM
If there were no economic motivation in music I never would have had the chance to see,
Ledward Kaapana
Dennis Kamakahi
David Kamakahi
George Kuo
Aaron Mahi
Martin Pahinui
Cyril Pahinui
Willie K
Makana
Weldon Kekauoha
Bryan Tolentino
Herb Ohta, Jr
Ohta-san
Jon Yamasato
Marlene Sai
Raiatea Helm
Hoku Zuttermeister
Mike Ka'awa
Paul Kim
Jeff Au Hoy
That Cute Ocean Kauwili
Eddie Kamae
Faith Ako
Robi Kahakalau
Nathan Aweau
Barry Flanagan
Keli'i Kaneali'i
Chino Montero
Amy Hanaiali'i
Patrick Landeza
George Kahumoku
Keoki Kahumoku
Kenneth Makuakane
Kaukahi
The Makaha Sons
Na Leo Pilimehana
Maunaloa
Na Palapali
Shawn Ishimoto
to name a few!!
Let's not forget the hula dancers!! They gotta eat as well.
I think I'll stick with the current capitalist system. I don't think these people would be showing up at my house at 8:00 PM to serenade me on my doorstep. |
| sm80808 |
Posted - 06/17/2011 : 11:50:25 AM
I guess I should have posed my question from the standpoint of what is relevant to today.
Maybe I should have asked how much happier "pro" musicians would be if they defined success differently.
Why does it seem as if success is how many awards you win, how much money you make and how new your BMW is? Meanwhile, musically no progress is made.
Oh wait, all those happy feelings and junk don't put rims on the Escalade. |
| Lawrence |
Posted - 06/17/2011 : 10:46:33 AM
Forget the Fifth Symphony of Beethoven, or any of them. Also forget Bach, Mozart, Handel and most all of the rest of the Classical Music Composers. Most all of them were sponsored by wealthy aristocrats (or the church) and most would not have had much time to compose their great works if they had to have a "day job". Especially Bach, he had like 20 something kids and Germany did not have any kind of tax and welfare benefits given out for parenting at the time!!
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