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mpi_50
Lokahi

USA
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Posted - 06/29/2019 :  09:22:03 AM  Show Profile  Send mpi_50 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I haven't been here daily as before, when I first started ki ho'alu. Now that I'm somewhat proficient, I haven't paid my respect to those that helped reach this level of competence. My apologies for the misstep.
I want to expand to other tuning, I started with open G, Taro Patch. If there was a song to accompany the tuning I would make progress, I think. I try the tuning, mess with it a while and become frustrated because nothing is happening, so back to open G. I have by no means mastered open G. What is the best way to go about this and make some progress? Mahalo braddas and Kupuna.

Earl
Lokahi

USA
333 Posts

Posted - 06/30/2019 :  05:09:28 AM  Show Profile  Visit Earl's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The easiest variation of Taro Patch tuning is double-slack or G Wahine (DGDF#BD) used for Ray Kane's Punahele and others. Kumu Ozzie's book has a couple of those too.

One of the things I've done is to get some of Keola Beamer's books and his Homespun DVD. He has a number of tunes done in F Wahine tuning (CFCGCE). Noticing some similarities in the phrasing and parallel sixths, I started noodling and relearning some of my Taro Patch tunes from the Ozzie books and his DVD's in F Wahine. Now I can play several songs in either tuning. I always try to find 4-5 songs for each new tuning, just to make it worthwhile while I'm there.

Then there is Keola's C which lowers the bass strings to C (6th) and G (5th) but leaves the others in standard (CGDGBE). In addition to slack-key songs, that works for Richard Thompson's Vincent Black Lightning too. I always run through that one when in that tuning.
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mpi_50
Lokahi

USA
116 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2019 :  1:43:17 PM  Show Profile  Send mpi_50 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I've ventured into the realm of G Wahine and couldn't make sense out of it. I am self taught with a help from Keola and Ozzie. Is there a song that I could play in G Wahine? I also have no music education, other than the classics and music appreciation at my local JC.
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it. I just have to expand more, open g is too familiar and I need to expand my horizons.
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thumbstruck
Ahonui

USA
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Posted - 07/11/2019 :  04:03:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eh, Gary, no worry, you get'em bumbye. Listen to tunes when you're doing other things - you'll hear nuances that you weren't looking for. Play with others. Find a halau and learn to play back up, plus you'll learn a bunch more mele.
My kumu back in 1974 said that there were only 3 lessons: the right thumb on the bass (3 weeks of only that before he would show me anything else), the vamp ('cause he wen tell me dat haoles always fo'get da vamp - dis one go up, da oddah one go down - den can play any kine as long as it fit), and for G Taropatch, the chords (5 string banjo G tuning charts can be helpful). Keep at it.
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a

USA
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Posted - 07/11/2019 :  07:07:48 AM  Show Profile  Visit Fran Guidry's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mpi_50

I've ventured into the realm of G Wahine and couldn't make sense out of it. I am self taught with a help from Keola and Ozzie. Is there a song that I could play in G Wahine? I also have no music education, other than the classics and music appreciation at my local JC.
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it. I just have to expand more, open g is too familiar and I need to expand my horizons.



The classic song in double slack is "Ki Ho`alu" which is on "Led Live Solo." Ray Kane used the tuning for "Punahele" and "Wa`ahila" on the albums of the same names. Mark Hanson's "Masters of Hawaiian Slack Key" has tab for "Punahele."

And the heart of the tuning is Auntie Alice Namakelua. In addition to her album there is a copy of an instructional manual written by one of her students floating around somewhere.

Fran

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mpi_50
Lokahi

USA
116 Posts

Posted - 07/17/2019 :  4:46:38 PM  Show Profile  Send mpi_50 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Mahalo fo dat one. K den, I go try make liddat. Ki ho'alu and Uncle Sonny's malasadas almost same. Is there a more familiar and classic song that fits the bill? I'll check out Auntie Alice too. Bradda Fran, Thumbstruck and Earl, mahalo nui.
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