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Absolute
Lokahi
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 Posted - 04/17/2007 : 09:06:02 AM
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If one places fingers on the A string at the third fret, the E string at the fifth fret, and the C string at the fourth fret, is this chord C6? (This is the C chord position with two additional points of contact with the strings.) If not, what is this chord named?
I've seen the position just described listed as C6, but I understand that C6 is the chord without fretting at all. This no fretting definition for C6 is consistent with the "Flea Bag".
I'd like to clear this up, so I can either correct my downloaded chord chart, or the Flea Bag nomenclature.
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2007 : 09:28:21 AM
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| The A string 3rd fret is a C, E string 5th fret is an A, and C string 4th fret is an E so the notes are the same as the ones played without fretting...you're just playing a different voicing of the C6. |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
Edited by - cpatch on 04/17/2007 09:32:05 AM |
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Mika ele
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2007 : 12:16:52 PM
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| They don't call it the "C Tuning" for nothing. |
E nana, e ho'olohe. E pa'a ka waha, e hana ka lima. |
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Absolute
Lokahi
275 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2007 : 12:50:13 PM
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| "A different voicing" corresponds to entirely different notes on the scale and a different sound. Is there a technical way to differentiate between the "no hand" C6 and the C6 with the higher notes that I've described? |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2007 : 1:01:21 PM
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| Sorry, I should have said a different inversion. |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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parotatch
Aloha
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Posted - 04/18/2007 : 10:16:05 PM
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To complicate matters a little more, your chord is also known as an Am7 (that's minor 7th,not major 7th).
A "Technical Way" to differentiate would be 1st position, 2nd position etc.
For example, 1st position C is 0003. 2nd position C could be 5433. etc. |
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Uncle Dave
Akahai
USA
58 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2007 : 10:20:19 PM
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| I wonder if I remember my music theory classes. Is the order, root inversion 1-3-5, first inversion 3-5-1, second inversion 5-1-3? If So, is this the first inversion with E becoming the bottom note? I use this inversion in intro progression to Bread's song "I'd like to make it with you." But not sure what the second chord is. If you slide that chord up three frets (0-6-7-5) what is that chord please? Would that be a B6 first inversion? Not trying to be cute here, just want to learn beyond my simple I-IV-V Hawaiian mode I grew up with. Mahalo. |
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Absolute
Lokahi
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 02:55:44 AM
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| So that means I reference this chord as D6(1st inv.) - or is there a more elegant approach to the nomenclature. (Don't forget Uncle Dave's preceding inquiry.) |
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marzullo
`Olu`olu
USA
923 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2007 : 03:44:06 AM
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A "Technical Way" to differentiate would be 1st position, 2nd position etc.
the real way to differentiate is to see what note the bass player is playing 
i'm treading on ground that mark knows much better, but i personally think you're trying too hard. for example, a C9 contains five notes: C D E G Bb, but you have only four strings on a uke. the most common way to voice this is 0201, which is G D E Bb. that is, you throw away the tonic because you're hoping it will come in somewhere else (singing, bass, guitar, etc). you might try to voice it a different way if the situation is different (eg, you're doing some picking).
again, there's probably a bunch of people here who can talk more intelligently on this topic. talking chord names over beer is one of those simple pleasures of life.
aloha,
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Absolute
Lokahi
275 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2007 : 04:37:07 AM
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"but i personally think you're trying too hard"
I couldn't disagree more. Sloppy chord references, particularly with regard to "C6" are recurrent in tablature and unnecessarily confusing for beginners. Those who reference multiple combinations of different notes up and down the scale with one chord name are simply not trying at all, yet somehow often think of themselves as professionals. |
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marzullo
`Olu`olu
USA
923 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2007 : 04:50:12 AM
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absolute,
i apologize if i offended you, but there's a reason people use tab and standard musical notation.
best wishes
keith
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 05:48:22 AM
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Originally posted by marzullo
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A "Technical Way" to differentiate would be 1st position, 2nd position etc.
the real way to differentiate is to see what note the bass player is playing
i'm treading on ground that mark knows much better, but i personally think you're trying too hard. for example, a C9 contains five notes: C D E G Bb, but you have only four strings on a uke. the most common way to voice this is 0201, which is G D E Bb. that is, you throw away the tonic because you're hoping it will come in somewhere else (singing, bass, guitar, etc). you might try to voice it a different way if the situation is different (eg, you're doing some picking).
again, there's probably a bunch of people here who can talk more intelligently on this topic. talking chord names over beer is one of those simple pleasures of life.
aloha,
keith
I play jazz piano, in addition to steel guitar. There are 3 and 4 note voicings used for "comping" with the left hand when soloing or the right when backing up another musician (this includes singers). None of these forms contain the fundamental, the "1" note of the chord. One of the great myseries comes from playing F A C E. If you put an F on the bottom, either yourself or a bass player, it becomes an FM7, but... with a D on the bottom, it become a Dm9 and is used for the II chord of C. So, the chord depends on who's providing the bottom for you. It gets more interesting the deeper you get, but that's for later. |
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Absolute
Lokahi
275 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2007 : 05:48:25 AM
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You make an excellent point. Tablature that employs a diagrammatic approach to establishing the positions for each named chord helps, but it still does not eliminate confusion among those lacking your musical depth with regard to why so many different finger positions are given the same chord name where notes in different octaves are involved. I hope that my effort to acquire some fundamental musical education (or the interest of others in the same) is not regarded as "trying too hard". This subject is well within the grasp of most people with relevant curiousity.
Thank you for your contribution. |
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Absolute
Lokahi
275 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2007 : 05:57:55 AM
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slpry1,
You're getting into more advanced music theory. Apparently how to employ chords as a basis for improvisational playing. It sounds like you're quite knowledgable. Have you prepared an on-line tutorial for those interested in learning some VERY basic techniques? I'd love to read your perspectives. There is much that is unique to the world of musicians that many outsiders, like myself, would love to learn in a form that presents the very most fundamental basics. How slack key music is put together has been handled by "Uncle Dave" very competently. I'd love to see others creating some posts here that seek to offer some basics on other topics such as:
1. How to play basic blues on a GCEA tuned ukulele.
2. How to improvise using chords on a GCEA tuned ukulele.
3. How to convert note based melodies into chord based melodies (on a GCEA tuned ukulele).
This is a TALL order, I know. Hope someone decides to take on the task. The goal would be a VERY basic approach summarized in a posting here. Maybe using some example, like the refrain from "Jingle Bells" to get people into the basic concepts with an example they can apply.
I look forward to any contributions in this arena, either here, or on someone's website with a link posted here. |
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Uncle Dave
Akahai
USA
58 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2007 : 5:49:36 PM
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| For chord based melodies check out Lyle Ritz's book with CD. It's jazz and you will appreciate how a master does it. And the above discussion is way too in depth for me. I'll stick with simple slack key. Thanks. |
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hikabe
Lokahi
USA
358 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2007 : 8:04:22 PM
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| My brain hertz...but you guys are figuring it out alright... I'm going to take a break... |
Stay Tuned... |
Edited by - hikabe on 04/19/2007 10:16:02 PM |
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