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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
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 Posted - 10/26/2018 : 2:03:31 PM
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I'm working up a medley to cover a hula show costume change, 6 minutes of music, the show is paniolo themed. I'm hoping to pull together Auntie Alice's "Paniolo Slack Key" along with some version of "Kaula `Ili" and then "`Ulupalakua."
In the process I'm really listening to Auntie Alice all the way through and tracking the variations. I had the LP but after I transferred the tracks I let the album slip away. Does anyone have a copy of the liner notes? Any indication of the instruments on this track? I'm hearing a second guitar and I think bass. Near the end of the song the second guitar gets out of sync, and I think they get a couple of choruses of lead.
This cut is up on YouTube if you don't have a copy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz05uOlNUaU Definitely worth a listen. I have little hope that I'll be able to play like that when I'm 83.
Fran
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E ho`okani pila kakou ma Kaleponi
Slack Key Guitar in California - www.kaleponi.com
Slack Key on YouTube
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Russell Letson
`Olu`olu
USA
504 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2018 : 05:52:56 AM
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That track is from Hula 552, and I think I have a copy, but it will take some excavation to get to it.
My research notes say that all the slack key tracks on the album "have uke and/or second guitar accompaniment" and that on "Paniolo Slack Key" Auntie provided her own second guitar part via multitracking. Nothing about a bass, which I don't think I hear (though computer speakers, so don't take that to the bank). I do think that I hear a uke backing as well, but that might be a high-voiced guitar. |
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Kapila Kane
Ha`aha`a
USA
1051 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2018 : 08:27:14 AM
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| Thanks for sharing the sound clip of Auntie Alice. It's nice to see how things were done, in the old timey way. The art was simpler...but truly art, done for joy and sharing. Now that's what art is supposed to do. |
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Maliko
Lokahi
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2018 : 08:26:24 AM
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Seems so, a post of mine from a few days ago in this thread is also gone.
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Put da "pila" back in "Kanikapila" |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2153 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2018 : 12:51:41 PM
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| Ho! I thought it was a fig newton of my imagination! Duke wen' 2nd my notion dat when get 2 guitars, da 2nd should stay outa da 1st one's way, li'dat. |
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alan_f
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2018 : 09:01:26 AM
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Aloha Fran,
I just played at a Paniolo-themed show and was looking for some options to play -- started working on Auntie Alice's Ka Manu/Noho Paipai which is very similar to the track you posted. Jeff Peterson has a lesson on his slack key workshop website for it, but you have to be a member for that lesson. I didn't quite get it down in time for the show, but after your post reminded me I should work on it more.
Here's a video of Ka Manu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaduZSJoBBo
By the way, thank you for the videos you've posted on YouTube -- I've used them as resources while I've been learning. Would love to see how you play 'Ulupalakua -- I ended up pulling it from my slack key set because I wasn't making the E7 transition smoothly enough while singing and I ended up playing it on 'ukulele instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_L6WwecHiw&list=PLtTqBaoYgLQ97lTZBPqqPj6_FjxmgK-rC
If anyone's interested in Jeff's website he has some lessons available free here:
https://jeffpetersonguitar.com/free-lessons/
Mahalo,
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2018 : 09:08:10 AM
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At least I know now that it wasn't just me. Came back to look a couple of days ago & 2 of my comments were missing. Figure I just mistakenly compose my comment in invisible ink..........Nah seriously, I thought I was in the doghouse & got my comments deleted |
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
1573 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2018 : 07:22:19 AM
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Originally posted by alan_f
Aloha Fran,
I just played at a Paniolo-themed show and was looking for some options to play -- started working on Auntie Alice's Ka Manu/Noho Paipai which is very similar to the track you posted.
Auntie Alice used a collection of melodic riffs as the basis for her song accompaniment and strung them together for "Paniolo Slack Key." In the lost discussion from a few days ago we talked about the "Fourteen Figures" which is a text based on Auntie Alice's slack key instruction, it lays out her collection of riffs.
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Jeff Peterson has a lesson on his slack key workshop website for it, but you have to be a member for that lesson. I didn't quite get it down in time for the show, but after your post reminded me I should work on it more.
Here's a video of Ka Manu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaduZSJoBBo
That was inspiring but frustrating at the same time. If only they could have stayed on an unadorned shot of Auntie and her guitar, instead of zooming and double-screening and such.
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By the way, thank you for the videos you've posted on YouTube -- I've used them as resources while I've been learning. Would love to see how you play 'Ulupalakua -- I ended up pulling it from my slack key set because I wasn't making the E7 transition smoothly enough
I don't know if you play this shape but a number of years ago someone showed me the "magic" E7 in taropatch (or drop C). Make a C shape. Pick up the finger on the second string - now it's an E minor. Make the C but move the index finger from the C on the second string to the G# on the third string - no it's an E major. Then pick up the finger on the first string to change the E down to a D. That's an E7. All these are "top four strings only" chords, but they sound pretty full because they're low on the neck.
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E ho`okani pila kakou ma Kaleponi
Slack Key Guitar in California - www.kaleponi.com
Slack Key on YouTube
Homebrewed Music Blog |
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12toneman
Akahai
USA
97 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2018 : 08:13:00 AM
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Eynowd
Lokahi
Australia
181 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2018 : 1:07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Fran Guidry
If only they could have stayed on an unadorned shot of Auntie and her guitar, instead of zooming and double-screening and such.
I had to chuckle at this, because I've thought much the same thing while trying to study some of your vids, Fran  |
Geoff - g'day from Canberra, Australia. |
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
1573 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2018 : 07:47:02 AM
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Now that you mention it, Geoff, I have to chuckle too. Seems like once we get in the editing booth we just have to play with our toys.
If you catch me before I archive the footage, I'd be happy to post a "hands only" version if I have a camera catching that, and I usually do. I've done this by request in the past.
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E ho`okani pila kakou ma Kaleponi
Slack Key Guitar in California - www.kaleponi.com
Slack Key on YouTube
Homebrewed Music Blog |
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Eynowd
Lokahi
Australia
181 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2018 : 10:51:43 AM
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Originally posted by Fran Guidry
Now that you mention it, Geoff, I have to chuckle too. Seems like once we get in the editing booth we just have to play with our toys.
If you catch me before I archive the footage, I'd be happy to post a "hands only" version if I have a camera catching that, and I usually do. I've done this by request in the past.
It's all good. I understand from a casual viewing/listening point of view that a multi-shot edit, cut with scenery footage or what-have-you, is much more visually interesting than a single camera vid of someone just playing guitar. It makes sense.
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Geoff - g'day from Canberra, Australia. |
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Earl
`Olu`olu
USA
502 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2018 : 04:55:13 AM
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| Yup. There is a difference between making a video for casual viewers to watch versus making one for guitar players to study. Except for guitar geeks like us, the instructional video can be like watching paint dry - on video. |
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Claudia
Lokahi
USA
152 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2018 : 1:06:20 PM
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| the notes on the LP for Paniolo Slack Key say the following: "On this recording she plays two series of different slack key figures on two guitars in counterpoint...with the ukulele strummed in the correct way to accompany slack key" |
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Auntie Alice Namakelua - Paniolo
