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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
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 Posted - 11/20/2007 : 3:10:45 PM
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Originally posted by Reid
Aha! Now you know how Russell has been suffering, trying to get stories - histories - straight, for the last few years. Bill is probably flipping, too. This happens all the time with anthropologists and cops.
...Reid
Well, not flipping. But it confuses me. Why bother having a five member group if you have to overdub parts? That's the kind of thing I expect from The Peter Moon Band which is more a laboratory experiment (that is, see how much music can be made with the fewest people).
I listened to the cut again and it surely could be Moe overdubbed. I have no reason to doubt Aunty Myrna. I just don't know why their stories would contredict each other.
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2007 : 3:47:40 PM
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I just don't know why their stories would contredict each other.
Well, it was about 8-10 years ago, and also right after a concert, so maybe Eddie was a little flustered and I can also understand that Myrna would not want to correct Eddie at that time. I am going to have to go back and play the original back maybe ten times (and also play back some Moe ballads and some of Joe's other lead tracks again).
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2007 : 11:12:43 PM
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| I watched the Sons perform the song in person and guess who sang the lead? It was Moe and did it sound like the record I think it did except the harmony was sung by Joe at that time. As far as i know it was Moe who sang on the recording too. Heck Larry Kimura was my kumu 'olelo Hawai'i at the time too. When moe played with SOH he was the lead singer for most songs. Other song Eddie would take. Dennis came after Moe left. Thats when they started to sound sort of like country music performers. Later on was Bruddah Smitty and the sound changed again. One time they had a country fiddler named Joe again the sound was different. But E ku'u morning dew in Hawaiian was the original as written by Larry Kimura and Moe Sang the lead. The English words recorded by Jay Larrin and Melveen Leed was nice but don't confuse it as a translation of the hawaiian because it isn't. Myrna probably would not correct Eddie in public since that is as we say 'make A' so Myrna would not say a word to contradict Eddie. So no confusion really. just take tings with a grain of salt. 8 to 10 years ago the song was already more than twenty plus years old as well. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 04:16:45 AM
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Originally posted by noeau
Dennis came after Moe left.
Actually, there was some overlap. I have two LPs with Moe and Dennis together. That should be Dennis's 12-string guitar we hear on "Morning Dew."
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 1:28:39 PM
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| Well I guess you da expert. You must have the recording and the credits. So then the Harmony would also probably be dennis as well. Would you care to share which LPs those would be. My collection got lost some time back so I have no reference. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
Edited by - noeau on 11/21/2007 1:31:13 PM |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 1:40:40 PM
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| No, no, no. It is Moe and Moe. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2007 : 1:42:55 PM
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| And Curly Joe. Wanda if you can digitize it send ne one copy please. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
Edited by - noeau on 11/21/2007 1:43:52 PM |
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
580 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2007 : 1:56:24 PM
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Originally posted by noeau
Well I guess you da expert. You must have the recording and the credits. So then the Harmony would also probably be dennis as well. Would you care to share which LPs those would be. My collection got lost some time back so I have no reference.
Well, I can honestly say I don't hear Dennis's voice on "Morning Dew." But that is his 12-string guitar.
The LPs to which I refer are both titled "Eddie Kamae Presents The Sons Of Hawaii" and were the first two for Eddie's Hawaii Sons label (HS-1001 and HS-2002). The first featured "Morning Dew," "Ke Ala A Ka Jeep," and "Kela Mea Whiffa." The second featured "E Kiss Kaua," "He Punahele No `Oe," "Hanakeoki," and "Wahine Ilikea." The basic line-up on both LPs was Eddie, Joe, Feets, Moe, and Dennis with a few guest artists thrown in.
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 2:21:34 PM
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Well, I can honestly say I don't hear Dennis's voice on "Morning Dew." But that is his 12-string guitar.
Yes, Dennis was in the group at this time (his picture is on the cover), but it is not his voice as backup. And yes, that is him on the Guitar pa'ani's and I have been trying to emulate a similar melodic line (but on 6 string) for years. And of course, they are doing Dennis's song Wahine Ilikea on the second disc.
And, like I said, I gotta listen more to some stuff to see if I can hear Moe and Moe, instead of of Joe and Moe. (Moe or less)  Not an unpleasant bit of research in any case!
I would be perfectly happy to be convinced it was Moe and Moe because I have always loved his voice. Eddie made the right decision for this song, if he had sung it, (his voice is not bad, and it was about him and his wife) it would not have had as big an impact as it did with the more liquid baritone ballad singer and perhaps would not have been as big a hit (IMHO).
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Mahope Kākou...
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 2:42:18 PM
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Originally posted by wcerto
Agree 100% with what No`eau says regarding diacriticals. Makes it very easy for a non-native speaker to learn the language. Easier than English, because, if you see it, you say it, not like all that i before e except after c balderdash.
Regarding Joe Marshall or Moe Keale singing that, I watched Eddie Kamae's DVD about the Sons of Hawai`i last night and payed particularly close attention to the part about Joe Marshall. I did not notice similarities with Moe in his singing voice, other than, of course, it was sweet and beautiful. His speaking voice certainly has a different timbre to it than Uncle Moe's. However, Joe Marshall seemed like such as sweet, jolly, kind gentleman and perhaps a bit rascally.
In that film, I loved the story that Braddah Smitty told about Marshall losing his false teeth to the doggie. That happened to my Ma, sort of. She would come home from work and take her teeth out because they must have didn't fit right and our dog stole them off the end table and ran around with them in her mouth. I do believe my Ma was grumpy at the dog after that.
I have been listening to Morning Dew over and over trying to determine if that is not Moe's voice. I am telling you it sure sounds like Moe to be.
I want a voice print analysis.
I agree whole heartedly too. What I love about 'olelo is that basically everything is spelled the way it should be pronounced.
However, there has been a ninau on my mind that I haven't posted here yet. I'm going to do it after I submit this one.
No laila, a hui hou aku no! |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2007 : 6:24:19 PM
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| Mahalo Bill for the clarification. The Sons went thru some rapid changes in those years. It always seemed that Gabby would be there forever. Eddie was good at making changes and readjusting as needed. |
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naukilo
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 9:02:45 PM
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It was Moe who sang both lead and harmony on the song E Ku'u Morning Dew.
Aloha,
Dennis Kamakahi |
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Kapila Kane
Ha`aha`a
USA
1051 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 7:38:51 PM
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I also love (Walter) Keale's driving ukulele style on his "Kahikina" cd, and the energetic version of Ku'u Morning Dew...
Now I need the original "Sons" recording! Sometimes I go backwards to the source.
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Auntie Maria
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 12/18/2007 : 07:23:57 AM
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| Lucky for you, that version -- originally only available on the Sons' vinyl (and cassette) album #1001 -- was included on the "Best of Sons of Hawai`i Vol 1" CD. You should be able to find that CD easily... |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 12/22/2007 : 02:48:09 AM
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Uncle Dennis - thank you for setting the record straight. I just KNEW my ears could not be wrong on this!
And the bottom line still is that it is one of the most beautiful recordings ever made. Ever. |
Me ke aloha
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