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12toneman
Akahai
USA
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 Posted - 08/14/2018 : 08:58:29 AM
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Man, I can feel great about a tune, but put a camera in front of me and I'll cack. Ooooo, the pressure to be perfect, lol!
YouTubers, how many takes does it usually take or do you give yourself before you're satisfied and post a video? How often do you nail a hole in one???
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2018 : 09:09:06 AM
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Red Light Fever is one term I've seen for that collapse in front of the camera or microphone, and it seems to be very common indeed. One reason I try to use at least two cameras is to make it easier to cut around goofs. But even with that I probably shoot at least three for every keeper and sometimes a lot more.
And lets not talk about the sessions that produce lots of stress and sweat with no result worth publishing.
Fran |
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Earl
`Olu`olu
USA
502 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2018 : 12:11:54 PM
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I actually use "red light fever" as a way of rehearsing. The extra stress of knowing that tape is rolling (metaphorically speaking) is similar to the stress of playing live in front of people, and helps me root out the problem areas. Or creates new ones that I'd rather know about in advance.
The key is that I NEVER listen to or view the tape until after performing. Otherwise, I just fixate on the four seconds of clams, and forget completely about the 3:56 of pretty good playing. Then on stage I will tense up as that section approaches, virtually guaranteeing a mistake. |
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Eynowd
Lokahi
Australia
181 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2018 : 1:39:56 PM
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I've not recorded myself too often, but it usually takes a few goes. Normally, I screw things up fairly early if I'm going to do it at all. If I can get past the first vamp, I'm often OK after that.
I had an interesting time last week when a friend of mine interviewed me for her ukulele podcast. Slack key was talked about and I played a tune at the end. That took a couple of takes to get right. There were a few bum notes in the performance at the end, but I just kept playing through it, so hopefully it comes out sounding OK. (The podcast isn't due to go up for another four weeks or so yet). |
Geoff - g'day from Canberra, Australia. |
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2018 : 3:19:25 PM
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Originally posted by Fran Guidry
Red Light Fever is one term I've seen for that collapse in front of the camera or microphone, and it seems to be very common indeed.
I first heard the term "Red Light Fever" when Fran & I met at Kaka'ako Beachfron Park for a kanikapila/recording session. We were there for about 2 hours & came out with NO videos because I kept screwing up over & over again.
I am the "King of Mistakes" In my 45 years of playing kiho'alu, I'm not sure if I ever got through a piece without making at least one mistake. In every single one of my YouTube videos there are literally 5 to 10 mistakes. For every YouTube video I have, it took multiple takes trying to reach perfection which was never attained. Only one of my videos was one take. "Slack Key Hula" I had just finished videotaping "Ku'u Kika Kahiko" It took me literally 40 takes to finally get a decent rendition of "Ku'u Kika Kahiko" I was so releived that I surprisingly did a pretty clean job on "Slack Key Hula" in one take!!!!Buuuuuuuut, I was using that Taylor steel string for about 20 of the takes on "My old guitar" I recorded "Ku'u Kika Kahiko" in C6th Maunaloa tuned down 1/2 step just like Ozzie's recording. I tuned my Taylor by ear afterwards not realizing I was still a half step low. So "Slack Key Hula" is played in F#/Gb Taropatch. So in reality I still don't have a "one take" video without mistakes |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2153 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2018 : 03:27:49 AM
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When the pressure is on, the pressure is felt. Our culture has become one of product instead of communication. Recordings must be "perfect", no nuance of humans playing or communicating with others.
Oral cultures in the past were a bit more "forgiving", the sense mattered more than the exactness (except in chants of geneologies, laws, histories, etc). No stress, jus' press! |
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12toneman
Akahai
USA
97 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2018 : 07:57:36 AM
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You guys make me feel much better!
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Originally posted by thumbstruck
When the pressure is on, the pressure is felt. Our culture has become one of product instead of communication. Recordings must be "perfect", no nuance of humans playing or communicating with others.
Oral cultures in the past were a bit more "forgiving", the sense mattered more than the exactness (except in chants of geneologies, laws, histories, etc). No stress, jus' press!
But with these oral cultures there was no documented record like video, right? Flub a note in a live performance, it's gone into the past. But on a video or recording-- it's for keeps if you don't give yourself another take! |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2153 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2018 : 09:01:40 AM
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Kapila Kane
Ha`aha`a
USA
1051 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2018 : 4:13:09 PM
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I asked a friend who played and recorded with Jackson Browne for 25 years. "Hey, how many takes did it take to cut an album" (ok, all this pre-digital, all the old 2 inch tape, 24 tracks, with lots of overdubbing and alternate takes...punch-ins etc..
His answer..."a million". If I asked him a million times the answer was always, "A million".
Of course "live to a camera, you take the best you can get in a reasonable amount of your lifetime.
But after discussed here, I'd say, "don't ask...cause I'll never tell!" |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 08/16/2018 : 5:37:09 PM
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Originally posted by thumbstruck
Flubbed notes and words make for "regional variations".
Don't you mean "regionul variatons"?? 
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Kapila Kane
Ha`aha`a
USA
1051 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2018 : 3:18:43 PM
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YouTuber Confessions: How many takes?
