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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
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 Posted - 05/28/2010 : 5:11:20 PM
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Would you expect to hear music from this album on the play-list of a radio station who's stated goals are "the promotion and perpetuation of Hawaiian mele"
http://www.amazon.com/Hawaiian-Nisei-Songs-Cocktail-Japanese/dp/B001158Y2Y
Please listen to the samples from the link above and tell me what you think. I would very much appreciate as much comment as you like, or just a simple yes or no vote.
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Konabob
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 05/28/2010 : 5:42:42 PM
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Good Question! Depends on whether you mean:
1) "Hawaiian", as in "the indigenous people" or 2) "Hawaiian", as in "pertaining to the islands known as Hawaii, along with its history, and its diverse culture.
In the first instance, we would have to rule out quite a bit of good music... Goodbye Jerry Byrd. So long Makana. Do we include music played on non-indigenous instruments?
I am sure that there are a few Japanese here in Hawaii whose great grandparents arrived generations ago, and might therefore think that their history should be included in the mele of Hawaii.
I could see "Yuhi Ni Akai Ho (A Red Sail In The Sunset)" on the playlist, although "Tanko Bushi ( A Coal Mining Song)" seems a bit of a stretch... what coal mines? Still, it sounds like Waikiki bar
music from the 50's, so why not play it?
Thanks for asking!
Aloha,
-Konabob
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 05/28/2010 : 9:15:42 PM
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| Representative of the mix of cultures in Hawaiʻi and is part of the history of the islands. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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RWD
`Olu`olu
USA
850 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2010 : 02:33:15 AM
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I do not think the tracks were made with a Hawaiian audience in mind so I would say no.
On the other hand, if you took away everything Japanese from Hawaii, the changes would be way too large and dramatic for most.
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Edited by - RWD on 05/29/2010 02:41:49 AM |
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2010 : 06:37:13 AM
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| Very interesting question. I'm not really sure about this one. When I listen to Hawaiian music stations on the radio, I hear just that--traditional Hawaiian, hapa haole, slack key, 'ukulele, some adult contemporary and island contemporary from Hawai'i e.g. Na Leo, Ka'au Crater Boys, Danny, Couch, etc., and even Jawaiian on some of the stations. I don't know if I would include music from the link your provided if I were a DJ but can't really explain why. This is kind of a hard one. |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
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Russell Letson
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2010 : 06:44:40 AM
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Part of the history of music made *in* Hawai`i? Of course. "Hawaiian" in the sense of being rooted in the music played by and listened to by a significant number of ethnic Hawaiians? Almost certainly not. A significant component in the hybrid genre/style family most people (including Hawaiian residents) think of as "Hawaiian"? Not to my ears.
The first customer review (by "Joe Sixpack") strikes me as a pretty reasonable (in fact, pretty sophisticated) response.
So to finally get around to the original question: No, given that "Hawaiian mele" generally suggests that part of the tradition musically closer to the ethnic/cultural roots, and probably would require Hawaiian-language lyrics as well.
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Julie H
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2010 : 7:37:18 PM
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Admin
Pupule
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2010 : 11:46:19 PM
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>> "the promotion and perpetuation of Hawaiian mele"
I wouldn't expect those songs to appear since "Hawaiian mele" to me sounds like predominantly songs written in Hawaiian.
If there were a radio program featured on the station that took a broader view of songs of Hawai'i, then it could be included. Kind of a cool idea to get exposure to such songs if the concept/format were right. |
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bubba
Akahai
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Posted - 05/31/2010 : 04:15:21 AM
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| I know the station in question and for years it has been playing a wide mixture of music done by Hawaiian performers, whether more traditional mele, or otherwise. This includes a limited amount of music from other South Pacific Islands. The station does not stream and is located in a semi-rural community where the majority of potential listeners have Spanish as their first language. It is a low power fm station which broadcasts over a small area. This means to me that the potentai listenership for people loving the "pure" Hawaiian music is quite limited. It is being proposed that not only the Nesei music be removed, but also a wider variety of music done by Hawaiian performers that do not fit into a tight defintion of mele of Hawaiian, be eliminated. Although I guess somewhere it was written when the station was formed that one of its goals was the promotion and perpetuation of Hawaiian mele, a strict interpretation of this wording has not been followed. Is there a station which currently survives on a strict interpretation Hawaiian mele? Probably not because there would be few listeners, in my opinion. |
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Konabob
`Olu`olu
USA
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 05/31/2010 : 07:16:39 AM
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| Just like shopping for groceries. There's plain old "white bread" on the shelves--stacks of it, and then there's "artisan" bread for the more discerning palette. |
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2010 : 08:32:36 AM
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Originally posted by Konabob
those of us who really love Hawaiian music know where we can get our fix of great streaming Hawaiian music.
Aloha Bob,
Would you expect to hear any of the music from this particular album on that site that streams great Hawaiian music. Because that's what I'm interested in listening to when I tune into this particular radio station, that proudly says that it plays Hawaiian Music 24/7.
A little more information about this particular station. It does indeed broadcast 24/7. However since it is a small non profit low power FM station it doesn't have DJs on the air all that time. Only a small fraction of the time in fact. So because of this the computerized play-list represents the station the majority of the time.
I have no objection to a DJ, playing this esoteric music on their show, so that they can talk about the contributions of the Japanese to the culture of the Hawaiian Islands etc, if they choose to do so.
What I have a problem with is having this music on the computer play-list so that you get "Tanko Bushi(A Coal Mining Song)" coming up in between The Lim Family's "Pua Olena" and Iz singing "White Sandy Beach" without any explanation as to why it is there.
Our listeners that seek out the radio station because they know it plays "Hawaiian Music", I suspect are no different from you logging on to those great sites that stream the Hawaiian music that you love to hear. They expect to hear Hawaiian Music, wouldn't you think? |
"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
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Konabob
`Olu`olu
USA
928 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2010 : 12:39:30 PM
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If a radio station is really causing a problem, there is a button for that. I am not trying to be sarcastic, but really, with so many options these days, there is no reason to listen to something you don't like.
Our local radio station "KAPA" which touts itself as "All Hawaiian" doesn't go toward the arcane stuff, but it goes off into Jawaiian wonderland quite a bit. So I just don't listen to it at all.
Auntie Maria has a great program, but we can't get it here in Kona, and it is only her show that I would listen to anyway. Radio stations by their nature, can only support themselves if they cover a wide audience.
I tend toward Pandora, as it lets you prune off anything you don't like but it still tries to figure out what you like, and suggest things that you might enjoy. A very cool system, I think. In the car it's the playlist, of course.
Anyway, you could always email the station and ask them to kill "Tanko Bushi". Seems like they would understand.
Aloha,
-Konabob
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2010 : 2:04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Konabob
If a radio station is really causing a problem, there is a button for that.
Bob, you see, therein lies the problem. I'm one of the volunteers at the station and also a member of the newly formed Music Committee that is struggling with this issue. I don't want to "hit the button" on a station for which I volunteer for, now do I? And I certainly don't want a potential or regular listener to "hit the button" either. I just want to make the station better for our listeners.
I'm just trying to solicit opinions from the members here about this particular album because it is an example of music that some feel should be included on the computer play-list because it has Hawaiian connections. Do you think those connections outweigh the lack of Hawaiian lyrics or melody or instrumentation or any reference to Hawai'i at all.
I repeat what I stated earlier;
"I have no objection to a DJ, playing this esoteric music on their show, so that they can talk about the contributions of the Japanese to the culture of the Hawaiian Islands etc, if they choose to do so.
What I have a problem with is having this music on the computer play-list so that you get "Tanko Bushi(A Coal Mining Song)" coming up in between The Lim Family's "Pua Olena" and Iz singing "White Sandy Beach" without any explanation as to why it is there."
So respectfully I ask, keeping in mind the music that you listen to on your great streaming links, would you want this music on your Hawaiian Music Radio Station?
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"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
haunts me sleeping and waking."
Mark Twain |
Edited by - markwitz on 05/31/2010 2:09:29 PM |
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Auntie Maria
Ha`aha`a
USA
1918 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2010 : 5:00:41 PM
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No.
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Konabob
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I would like your opinion
